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Dumb question (and now a moot one): when we talk about a payroll tax holiday, exactly which taxes would we temporarily repealing?

Is it just FICA which, as I understand it, is 6.2% each on employee/employer side? Or also the 1.45% Medicare tax? Or even more?

I've been trying to get away from calling it a tax cut and phrasing it as "an instant raise of XX% for everyone who works" but that phrasing is troublesome b/c we don't know exactly how much of the employer "contribution" would go to bidding up wages...

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A full holiday would be split between employer and employee. The immediate effect would be 7.65 or 8% salary increase in each paycheck, of the first $100k a worker makes. For example, if Eddie makes $1900 bi-weekly, with take-home pay of $1400, then he would get a "raise" of roughly $150 in take-home pay. His employer would also pay $150 less in costs for Eddie. Now, over time, the pile of $300 may shift towards the employer in terms of deferred real raises, or in the aggregate sense of lower hiring wages. But it still means removing the tax wedge on employment, so a net plus for job creation.

It would go to working Americans. And it would sail through with bipartisan support.

Really, sail through with bipartisan support? Then why did no Democrats support Senator McCain's proposal to cut the FICA tax in half for one year?

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You are exaclty right. We are too stupid to keep it simple.

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Are you trying to make the point that instead of bailing out banks and corrupt institutions that are responsible for this mess, we could cut the payroll taxes of all workers for a year for the same cost? This is a great idea to put more money in workers pockets, especially the lower and middle classes, but payroll taxes fund Social Security, which is already paying out more than it takes in, so Social Security would go further into debt. However, the majority of Americans pay more in payroll taxes than they do in federal income taxes, so this would be a huge SHORT TERM benefit to all workers.

But what happens to the things taxes pay for? If you cut payroll taxes, how do you pay for social security? If you cut local taxes, how do you pay for roads, schools, etc? If you cut federal income taxes, how do you pay for the military adventurism and federal programs? Tax cuts mean nothing without spending cuts. (Actually they are worse, because then spending is repaid with interest in the future)

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